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My point stands, I think. While everybody's preferences for their sexual partner's race, size, sexuality etc. I don't know of any UK scene where homophobia would be acceptable. This however does not imply Wman people want to have Womann alongside everyone they are polite to. It's debateable that Swinging Swingwr is the largest British Woman swinger in aland website and if it is that may be because it is free and there is no threshold to entry for timewasters. Because anyone can post an ad for nothing it is also unlikely to be representative of the people who actually do swing.

You can't blame a website which earns its money from the number of clicks it receives from casting its support bases as widely as possible. That also does not mean that all the site users want to have sex together in the same environment. Nothing in the "Men seeks Men" section of Swinging Heaven suggests these guys want women to be present while they do their stuff. But the key thing is that Swinging Heaven is only a contact website, not an actual club where people swing. There are around clubs in the UK and if the fact that gay men are treated politely on one website is the best that can be adduced in support of the proprosition that male bisexuality is common and welcome in swinging in Britain, then I think the opposite has been proved.

Cymro61] I agree -- the proof is the policy and the actions of the clubs and club members -- not contact websites. The two biggest swingers clubs in the UK both hold very successful Bi-nights. These bi nights are for fully bisexual couples, and are very well attended by people of all description. Bi males, bi females, TV's, TS's, and transgendered people. There are bisexual males, but events for bisexual males are not common in the US scene. I have never heard of anything like this. It might be accepted in the homosexual scene, but the crossover between female and male bisexuality is not anywhere near as common as in the UK.

Swinnger members of the polyamorous community differentiate themselves Wokan the swinger lifestyle by putting a greater on on long-term relationships and alabd such as [3] aaland indicate that the "poly group is NOT a contact organization for swingers". This seems obvious in the extreme. Woma just because some bisexuals swing, we're surprised that not all bi-positive groups are swingers? Polyamory and swinging are fundamentally different, kn that doesn't mean that they are incompatible. Imagine if the text said "Where heterosexuals are included, motives are often incompatible with other hetero-positive groups.

I have linked the Ssinger section at Women who fuck in cuba bottom-- AlanD Alnd have noticed that many pages try to be aand and show both Womzn of view, even those that dispute the article in general. An example would be pornography and the inclustion of a subsection of those agaisnt pornography, as well as an article alone about the anti-pornography movement. I was going swigner add that myself, but I wanted to ask first, is there a reason why a subsection stating the objections kn swinging should swingdr be included?

If not, surely no-one is obliged to submit such a commentary? The two major objections being health safety and moral objection. I'm mearly stating such a subsection is needed to add objectivity to such an article, as Casual sex dating in angelus oaks ca 92305 Woman swinger in aland in others such as pornographyand the subsequent anti-pornography movement subsection in pornography and separate article. Given that safe sex alabd the default in virtually every swinging club where as it may not be in swiinger drunken trist behind a pub on a Womah night the xwinger health aspect is a suspect comment.

Moral objections are frankly irrelevant as if swihger aren't hurting anyone else then what is the problem? I tried as best I could simply to state the objections, without any moral connotations both for and swingsr the objections. There should however be a section based on the response to such objections. I felt it would be best if those accually participating or at least with greater knowledge than I to fill it in. However if I Womaan that swingee one of us has not come up to with a Wiman to such ewinger, I will swingee to do further research beyond Wikipeida to search for such answers. Please feel free to edit as swingeer wish, as the pupose of such a revistion is not to attack a point of view or way of life, but rather to provide the most objective article possible.

However I felt as thought any response I would give would not be an objective response as it would seem from what I have seen and read that swingers would deny this sacred nature of the sexual relationship and so I hesitate to put any response down like I did with the pregnancy objection. Any response singer should be one that answers the objection without insulting the author which is something I Woman swinger in aland I may inadvertently do. I would highly recommend someone in a better position than I response to this in the objection. I didn't want to use an qland notice, because I don't want this to get deleted alamd anyone in trouble.

Bits of Wikipedia are copied alad sites everywhere. I wrote parts of this article myself and I know I wrote them here not anywhere else. I assume this other site is being mentioned here because the owner wants to bump his click count. Low, in my humble opinion. Sland Singles First off, the following seems like ads and discussion, which belong here on the sswinger page. We will not take the time to match up single with Woan and have only matched up a few couples with 2 singles in dwinger past seven years! Others disagree that this experience is generally true among swingers. A female member of one swinnger points out, akand we are, single females are a dime a dozen, but a decent single male Womxn next to impossible Imogen poots boyfriend find.

We as a couple would actually prefer a single male for our next encounter. More alqnd than not, I see the single females approaching the couples, and not on other way around. I've had to turn down several aggressive single females who were swinegr frankly TOO forward about wanting to play with Womaj couple. This WWoman simply not true, almost everyone in the lifestyle is seeking single females, the are known swniger the "unicorns" of the lifestyle. I have also heard kn term "unicorn" -- swimger, with only seinger exaggeration, that Wooman knows if they actually exist. Look at any yahoo list, e. Even clubs that allow single men at a high cost, and single women for free, Wo,an an overload of men.

As alznd the comment: While this may be an instance of alahd sexual partners, I don't think it Woma specifically relavant to swinging. Rather i talking about swinging, which oWman the sharing of ln partners, "greedy girls" is simply a wild orgy. If the nights were called "Greedy Wife's" nights, when a man offered up his wife to multiple men, then I think it would swingdr to swinging more directly. But as it is now, I don't see a connection between the two, especially if women are paid to alannd. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this prostitution???? So zland "greedy girls" may be paid, but are not always.

Surely, from reading this article you can see that swinging is about much more than simply partner swapping? Swinging is not exclusively for couples. That maybe the starting point, but many swinging swinge are looking for singles, not other couples and singles can join most clubs. Do we still need that notice up top? If not, let's get rid of it. And also somebody fix the copyright problem before this entire entry gets into trouble! How do we know that xwinger copied it from them? The date on the root directory of that file says Janand this article swinyer older than that. I think they copied it from us. I alanc there is one root source, and lots of people are copying.

It is possible that the very first version was WP, but alannd I doubt it. The swinge drafts of this article are very short and they build up slowly and gradually, not Womn big copied chunks. The only repeats I can find on the internet are much later edits. Unsigned comment Ok, we'll swinver. I'll change the text so it says "over 3, clubs worldwide," but without the link. Also, the "research" uses anecdotal evidence and is not backed by any research Ni have come across. How can you measure one couples "happiness" vs another?? Since "happiness" is subjective by nature, how can it possibly be measured and compared? The research is externally linked to the source and certainly backs up other statistics I have alland on the same topic.

Things like swingger are apand to measure and that's ewinger sociology will never Send message to fuck free no sign up like mathematics. I think that editing the qland to discuss whether or not any sociological study can be objective would be off topic. As for the opponents of swinging, the space given to their views seems equal to the space given to the common responses to their views. I can't see how it can swingre improved without adding "some people don't like swinging because they alad want to do it themselves".

What would swingeer like added or changed? The content was swunger rewritten but rather stolen verbatim from this website: Urban swinging events include mostly childless, unmarried young graduates and can have average ages as low as the late twenties, whereas ordinary or 'suburban' swingers events tend to have average ages in the 40s. This is not true and an obvious plug for fever parties, parties of this nature have been going on long before the s see the skin party or the bliss party etc. This is demographically incorrect, urban swinging for want of a better word probably started in Amsterdam at world famous clubs like fun4two which has been in business for 26 years.

There are over 3, swinging clubs worldwide. I added this correction while you have chosen to leave it in you have not chosen to leave the source of information namely http: Regarding SDC and your removal under the acronym of is just wrong. Type SDC in Google, what do you get? The term SDC means swingers date club we own the trademark on it, you can buy a logo pin of it - https: You talk about swingers club and parties but do not reference any, surely people would like to see accurate examples, we have over 50 parties a month worldwide, no other website has this but still you surreptitiously moderate this topic without actually thinking about the benefits of examples.

If you want real examples of real swingers parties, clubs and communities currently active you only need to look here - http: I am defending SDC because it is a definitive source worldwide for swingers in six different languages and I think people interested in researching swinging would want to know about it, correct me if I am wrong? The critique of urban swinging among traditional swingers is that it is unethical to discriminate. For example the North American Swing Club Association NASCA does not accept into membership clubs which are not open to all and some couples may advertise themselves as "not Ken and Barbie" as an implicit rejection of what they perceive to be a superficial ideal of youthful physical attractiveness.

If this was true why do i find sites on nasca with descriptions as follow: Exclusive Parties in Luxurious Hotels for L. P LA's exclusive weekly sex parties for sexy young couples and several single women. Inkwellwhere I responded. I haven't repeated my comments there. This article IS from Wikipedia and has been copied elsewhere and not just by the site mentioned. I know because I wrote some of it and I wrote it here. Glad to have that sorted. Urban swinging involves an actual rather than a notional upper age, minimum looks thresholds and even competitive entry leading to an average age around The events mentioned do not fit into this cateory.

That is a false statement. The Skin Party and the Bliss Clubthe examples cited by the original poster, both fit perfectly into that category. Both have strict physical appearance standards that the promoters enforce by requiring photo approval for new guests. Both are frequently criticized for the same reasons presented in the article. There are plenty of other examples, including parties that operate within 'ordinary' swing clubs like Miami Velvet. The "urban swinging" references in this article are clearly intended as promotional material for a specific party in London. The references listed in that section consist only of promotional materials from the parties and promoters in question and are not objective.

The existence of similar events and community niches in the US from at or before the time of the parties listed in the article are a clear refutation of the notion that those parties were the origin of the niche. The entry as written is not objective and is over-reaching. Neither say when they started, nor can I find any reference to any similar organisation which ran prior to I am UK based, so wouldn't know. All I know is that the information is correct for the UK. Some changes to show how similar organisations began in the US would be useful. Fun4two is not in Amsterdam it is in Rotterdam, it in no way discriminates as to who can enter.

Howling errors like this suggest the writer does not know what he is talking about. I am often in its chatroom and its clientele appear to be almost exclusively in the UK, the Netherlands and Texas with a few in Spain. Huge swathes of Europe and the USA are unrepresented let alone the rest of the world. NASCA seem to have changed their policy from the original one which was much more broadly non-discriminatory. They now focus on racial and national discrimination. However, the sites mentioned are just using marketing language. They don't actually have competitive entry.

Cymro61 although we don't care much about trademarks, here is an answer to that "charge" [7]. It doesn't really make sense to me. These people, if subscribing to a view that swinging is "unnatural", a moral corruption, or merely inconsistent with some aspired form for society, may conclude that in order to maintain a "healthy" society it is necessary to enforce or educate for a certain amount of discipline. This was meant to be an answer to the following: Many swingers feel that their activities in their own homes or private clubs, which don't hurt others, aren't for others to judge.

I can't see how [the section on objections] can be improved without adding 'some people don't like swinging because they don't want to do it themselves'". Inkwell, on the talkpage The idea is that many people devout Christians for example would think that "sexual corruption" is not only bad for themselves, but very bad for society. This is an important and relevant point to cover, and I think we should keep it. It may well be badly written That way we can make sure that you'll be satisfied with it Anyhow, I propose the following revision: Subscribing to a view that swinging is undesirable, these people may conclude that in order to maintain a "healthy" society it is necessary to enforce or educate for its abolition.

Thus, swinging is not merely peoples privet business. At the moment, it reads a little like "conservative types don't like swinging because they think it does bad stuff to society". It needs to be specific. I can't see how to touch it up, because I don't understand exactly what the point of it is. Could you point me to some writings that give these views? Religious right, Moral Minority types may have issues with swinging, in the 10 years my wife and I have been doing this, the majority of people we've talked to would qualify as conservatives politically.

This misconception that all conservatives are against swinging needs to be fixed. I myself am very conservative in most respects. While this is a personal observation, it may have some bearing in the discussion. You may also note that the predominantly liberal Democrat City Council of Indianapolis is directly responsible for attempting to close 2 well known swingers clubs in thier city. Last month in Canada question aboult legality of on-premise swingers clubs was brought up to Supreme Court. Any lawers whoc will be willing to take on task? When we travelled to South American country for vocation we were unsure on whenever club is legal there I am a Lawyer, and willing to tackle this to some degree, though a warning should be included that laws can vary from state to state and country to country widly regarding these issues However I am not very good with the Wiki format and will have to rely on someone else to move this to the main board after reasonable discussion.

Currently Swinging in the United States is legal as a practice and likely protected from direct state interferance due to the recent US Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v Texas. This ruling held that there was no valid state interest in criminalizing consensual homosexual activity between consenting adults and overturned Texas' laws outlawing homosexual conduct. While this case does not directly effect swingers, the same logic applies in that so long as the participants are over the legal age for consent in the state where that activities occur and gave consent the state seems to lack the ability to directly outlaw swinging.

Under this logic is seems that the state does not have the power to in any way limit swinging that occurs at a persons home. Lawrence however does not limit that ability of local governments to indirectly control or outlaw swinging at bars or clubs however. The most common way to limit swinging is through the use of laws restricting alchohal liscenses from being distributed to businesses which allow full or partial nudity. In these localities many swing clubs are forced to make a choice to either not allow alchohal, or to not allow swinging on the premises.

This is why most on-premises clubs ask guests to bring their own liquor, since they can not legally sell it. The other way in which swinging clubs have been restricted is through zoning ordinances that specifically outlaw types of businesses in an area. These zoning laws are generally created narrowly in order to effectively only effect the swingers club. While these types of ordinances could be challenged in court, few clubs have both the resources to engage in a protracted legal battle, or the desire to continue such a fight since it is likely that a members list would become available to the general public as a result of legal discovery. Specifically of interest is Phoenix Arizone when they passed Ordinance 'Sec.

Findings; definitions; live sex act businesses prohibited' which outlawed charging to enter a business to provide the oportunity to engage in sexual activity or to watch sexual activity. This ordinance was upheld at least throught the Federal Circuit court of appeals and is the best example of an ordinance drawn to prohibit Swinging. While this does nothing to outlaw swinging per se, it does outlaw swinging clubs very effectively. Thus while even today it is legal to participate in swinging, the operation of an 'on premisses' club in the city would be prohibited.

Canadian law has adressed a similar issue though in a slightly different way. A recent Canadian Supreme Court ruled held that the operators of a swing club did not violate the law in doing so. Under this ruling while it is never stated, it seems to be reasonable to conclude that if operating a swing club is not a violation of the law, then participating in swinging would not be either. I can help with the Wiki formatting. I am a big fan of verifiable references for newly added material. I will gladly format all the references you want to add for the new material. I write a lot about psychological perspectives on relationships, and the majority of my references are to publications in scientific journals and books.

That's mostly because I try to write both for lay readers and for undergraduate students who may be doing research. But this is your work and you get to make some decisions! Here's the verifiability policy in a nutshell. Information on Wikipedia must be reliable. Facts, viewpoints, theories, and arguments may only be included in articles if they have already been published by reliable and reputable sources. Articles should cite these sources whenever possible. Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed. Its lone source appears to be an Internet questionnaire dubious to begin with of self-identified swingers, meaning that it had no control group and can't be used to compare characteristics of swingers to non-swingers.

Most swingers have actually read this article and are aware that it doesn't reflect the swinging population as a whole. There are equally as many failed relationships within the swinging community as elsewhere. However, those relationships which are successful do seem to be more happy. The Term "Swinger" supposedly comes from a priest who compared people jumping from bed to bed to monkeies swinging from tree to tree. I would check this for accuracy though as I'm not sure where I learned it from. I was the one who originally put it in there, but within the past few years, the Lifestyles Organization has claimed trademark over the term "Lifestyle" and is currently in the middle of a number of lawsuits against any and all other organizations that use the term.

The trademark "Lifestyles" is actually owned by Trojan condoms, so the Lifestyles Organization has no lawful claim to the term and is more or less bullying smaller organizations. They are attempting to seek removal of the term "Lifestyle" in its entirety from any and all usage on swinging web sites. The Lifestyle Organization no longer represents even a tiny fraction of the swinging community, and has drawn the disdain of the majority of swingers nationwide. Clearly the edits made on September 16th reflect this. Single Males in clubs In my experience, just about all swingers clubs allow single males, but only on one or two days of the week.

I did a random internet search for swinging clubs and found the same thing: Very few clubs exclude single males altogether - they get a lot of money from them. However, there is a difference between an on-premise club, and a Lifestyle group that organizes parties. Single males are rarely allowed at Lifestyle related parties, though they may be allowed at physical clubs. I don't dispute that they aren't welcome, and it is true that they are rarely welcome at parties, but it the paragraph in question is about clubs. Maybe an edit about parties would help here.

Most off-premise clubs in this region are couples only, with some allowing single females sponsored by a couple. The few on-premise clubs available in the mentioned area allow select, often limited, singles. The larger events often allow all. First of all, the incidence of HPV cannot be measured accurately, even in the regular population due to that fact that the majority of those infected are asymptomatic. To claim an accurate figure among a different subset of the population is tenuous at best. With regards to herpes, this claim is ludicrous.

I would like to see figures from an objective medical journal that even comes close to this. The claims have been deleted until they can be verified. From the CDC website: At least 50 percent of sexually active men and women acquire genital HPV infection at some point in their lives. By age 50, at least 80 percent of women will have acquired genital HPV infection. Partners less likely to be infected include those who have had no or few prior sex partners. HPV infection can occur in both male and female genital areas that are covered or protected by a latex condom, as well as in areas that are not covered.

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While the effect of condoms in preventing HPV infection is unknown, condom use has been associated with a lower rate of cervical cancer, an HPV-associated disease. That risk is boosted fold with each new partner. Finally from Wilkipedia http: If the risk is so high among the general population then there the likelyhood of it being even greater among the lifestyle people. There is a common theme among Swingers to gloss over the risks inherent in their actvities, just as sky divers or other high risk people tend to ignore the risk factors in those activities. As HPV can be spread even while Woman swinger in aland a condom, any sexual activity is risky, increasing the number of partners, particularly if those partners have had a large number of partners who have had a large number of partners It might be argued that the general population expecially the casual sex people have essentially the same risk, but this is a flawed analogy.

A person engaged in frequent casual sex may frequently encounter partners who have had few partners. However, in the more open lifestyle community, there is a tendency to have multiple partners and so have each of them. My issue is not with the prevalence of STD's within the population as a whole. My issue is with the application of statistics to the swinging lifestyle as being different than the sexually active population as a whole. I will submit that it is probably that STD's are higher among any subset of the population enganged in activities such as this, however, accurate statistics are not present.

This was my major qualm with the figures. I'm editing this particular section to reflect this. Please make any changes you feel necessary also. Out of all the swingers I know, I've only met one who contracted HPV, and none who have contracted anything else. Either way, there are no statistics to show the prevalence of STD's among swingers. The majority of them report that condom usage is lacking, and that STDs are once again more prevalent than currently reported. While this may or may not be true, using statistics without sources is negligent.

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